Michial mentioned during our Snow White episode that listeners of the Christian Humanist will recall that he is not a Tolkien fan. Well, if you didn't recall that - here's the episode you need to get up to speed.
At least I was wrong and it's not three?
More examples of civilizing affects of women, cut from the movie.
The Victorians invented children and disturbing children's novels.
I went ahead and included the annotated Martin Gardner version here as well, because as Michial rightly said - unless you're a Victorian or Victorian scholar, there is a lot you will miss culturally just reading the Lewis Carroll text.
Civilizing affect of women in American literature exhibit B: Huck sails down the Mississippi because he doesn't want to be civilized by Widow Douglass. But Huckleberry is also a bit of a layabout fitting into the line of noble hobos leading up to Jiminy Cricket.
Civilizing affect of women in American literature exhibit A: Rip Van Winkle goes off into the woods to get away from his horrible shrewish wife.
Michial traces the ideal of idleness that Jiminy Cricket and hobos fit into in American culture back to at least Rip Van Winkle.